Special Episode - Stargate SG1 The Enemy Within

SG1_103 The Enemy Within

[0:00] Music.
 
 [0:15] Welcome to Stargate SG-1 for the first time, still not a Star Trek podcast.
 My name is Jeff Akin, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the first time.
 And I'm Brent Allen, and I'm watching Stargate SG-1 for the 47th time.
 But for the first time, I'm searching out some messages hidden deep within the show.
 Jeff and I are two veteran Star Trek podcasters who joined forces to bring you Babylon 5 for the first time and we've had so much fun doing that we decided to do it again with a show that many of you out there have said you wanted us to do. So whether this is your first time through the gate or your 47th we invite you to come along on this journey with us as we give what I'm told it's a pretty good show well we'll see Stargate SG-1 we're going to give it the for the first time treatment for me since this is my first time I'm just going to be experiencing this as it unfolds, bringing all of you along with me to relive your first viewing experience.
 
 [1:19] But we are still going to be looking for what we have come to call those Star Trek like messages, those sci-fi messages really, wherever they pop up throughout the show.
 You know, those messages that hold up a mirror to society, give us hope that things can be better in the future, or just plain tell us how to be better human beings to each other.
 And since this is still not a Star Trek podcast, we are going to bring over a game we love our games on the for the first time shows and we're going to play one from the Babylon 5, one called the rule of three. The rule of three means we are limited to no more than three references to Star Trek per episode. That's it. No substitutions, exchanges, a refund. And if we do make one of those references, you're going to hear this.
 However, we are adding something new to the rule of three right here for the Stargate show.
 Anytime we make a Babylon five reference, you're going to hear this.
 And of course, those references are unlimited.
 All right, man, I can't wait anymore. Let's kick off this week's episode.
 But just before we do, I just want to kind of wrap up a few thoughts from last week.
 
 [2:34] The episode we're heading into is the enemy within and uh, we, we ended last week's episode with Kowalski getting a gould, good, good, yeah.
 Kind of jumped into him and it was a real baby gold, a little itty bitty baby. It was a larval one. Yeah. Yeah. So cute. It's just, it's just cute. What bad could happen? I mean, what bad the episode ended with him opening his eyes and we got the, we got the gold glow out of them.
 And so we got to meet the characters last week. I don't have a lot more thoughts on top of what we talked about, but I am looking forward. And this one kind of doubling down on my prediction to find out how it's going to impact Kowalski and what that's going to mean for SG two and the rest of the team. Well, all right, Jeff, as you said, this is season one, episode three, the enemy within its episode three, because the pilot episode technically was episodes one and two. The original air date was August 1st, 1997. So Jeff, that actually we're doing season four of Babylon five right now. Season four was 97. Like these shows are actually happening at the same time, right? Who's that?
 We did not plan that.
 That is wow. That is something else. It all worked out.
 Perfect. Two fun notes just to kind of look for over the course of this particular episode kind of behind the scenes sort of stuff.
 Amanda tapping who is the lady who plays Sam Carter fantastic actress one of my favorite.
 
 [4:04] There's a scene in this in this episode where she gets shoved into an elevator and when she did that she in real life.
 She suffered a concussion.
 So and and I'm I'm almost sure I could be wrong But I'm almost sure that the shot they used of her was the one where she got the concussion. Oh, man. Yeah Yeah, I wonder if there's anybody else in the elevator with her because if there is just heads up There's we're gonna reprise an old hit.
 
 [4:29] Spoils warning fair warning for you And then you know, it's a tilt has the thing on his forehead, The tat is that a tattoo or a don't tell me never mind. I'm guessing it's a thing. Do you want to know?
 No, it's, it's, it's not really, they'll tell me eventually. Right? Eventually. Yes. Okay.
 They will tell you yes. And they'll yes. Eventually. Okay. Uh, but the we'll call it the, the, the yes, that thing, um, the, the makeup department hasn't decided which way is up yet. And so if you watch it, it actually like, it kind of flips sometimes. So that'll be fun anyway.
 Anyway. All right. Let's jump into this week's episode. The enemy within, if you guys are are just joining us for the very first time.
 The way this works is Jeff and I are going to watch this episode for the first time right now, together, we're going to pause what we're doing.
 We're going to watch this episode.
 And if you're watching us on YouTube, you are going to get the reaction cut up video, the reaction video that we normally put out.
 You're going to get that. However, if you would like to see the full unedited reaction, you can head over to our Patreon page at patreon.com slash Babylon five first.
 Cause that is still our main show and you'll get the full unedited reaction from Jeff and, I. And for those of you listening to us on a podcasting app like good pods or Spotify or Apple podcasts or something like that.
 
 [5:52] It's just going to skip over the reaction altogether. So make sure you stick around because right after the episode ends, if you're watching us on a video thing, if you're on the audio thing, just wait a couple seconds, but we're going to do the podcast thing, right? Where I'm going to break down what I just saw, kind of go through my first time experience.
 And then Brent is going to tackle any messages that might have come up in that episode. So, So uh, let's do this.
 
 [6:17] Music.
 
 [6:36] What about it?
 I feel like, okay, you literally, all right, so we're back for the audio folks out there. We're back.
 Watching the episode 22 seconds ago. Go Jeff. I'm just going to take you kind of through the sequence of events here for me, right? Like kind of just stepping through all in all enjoyable episode. We learned some huge and heavy stuff. So we learned about the Iris three microns, three micrometers from the thing so that the matter can't reconstitute the gold or trying to bust through and, uh, and attack them, but they're going to stop, you know, one or two more times, they're going to quit because whatever I liked, I liked that.
 We learned more about Teal very stoic, almost.
 I mean, honestly, at this point, he, I don't know, it just, yeah.
 
 [7:24] The warrior quiet and just kind of taking things how they are.
 Yes. He said a thing I found to be confusing.
 So last week in the pilot, he saw O'Neill's watch and he's like, this is not gold technology.
 Yet here, he talks about ghouled magic, so it's like, is it magic? Is it technology?
 But the next big thing we learned about the Tau'ri. Yeah, that's huge.
 So, so the next thing that makes me understand that and that these gold have been around now for millennia for a very long time, seeded us from earth, we are the towery. And so they, you know, they're obviously feeding the information that people want. You know, so this is magic. This is tech, even though it's all tech or whatever. So learning a lot more about the gold, the Kowalski stuff. I think there's a really great debate in here to have around what Kennedy, Colonel Kennedy brought on board. You know, the debate between do we do everything we can, do we lean towards our humanity to do everything we can to save Kowalski? Or do we lean towards logic and just let the gold take over and question and learn everything we can? It's almost a needs of the many versus the needs of the few or the one kind of a conversation to have. But I.
 
 [8:46] I also think it's appropriate kind of a conversation because I tell you what, if we have aliens here, that's what we did.
 You know, like we're not gonna treat them. We're not gonna lean towards humanity.
 That might be the cynic in me speaking, but I feel like that was quite, for you maybe in the future, a bit of a mirror to society on how we're gonna treat people.
 I'm becoming a huge fan of O'Neill, big time. The guy's cool.
 He's making great jokes. I, I think though my favorite thing about him is just how coolly and simply and calmly welcoming he is sitting across from Teal'c, a mystery in every way.
 We don't know anything about this guy and he's just meeting him like he's another dude, you know, just, yep.
 
 [9:33] Hey, I, at a core place, we don't have a better word to use than basic core humanity.
 I wish we had a better word than humanity, but that's how he's treating them.
 You know, hey, we're, we're cool.
 This is, you know, we got one little flash scene at the end of him arguing, you know, Hey, just cause he wasn't born here. He doesn't get the same rights.
 Like what's the deal. You know, I thought that was great. And a big piece.
 I kind of lost it with how this episode ended though. The Kowalski stuff was kind of ridiculous.
 So he's been taken over by Cree. The gold that jumped over to him. I want to stop.
 That was a, I, you might be picking that up from what you read in the subtitle.
 That is not what he said.
 He did not say he did not say my name is Cree. That is not what he said.
 We did. We never got the Gould's name.
 He said Jaffa Cree, which is something you will hear the Gould say to like it's their Jaffa like Jaffa attention.
 Jaffa, listen, Jaffa, it's you know, like Aloha in Hawaii means like 84 different things.
 Mm hmm. Yeah. Means that same thing in Gouldese.
 OK, I thought he said I'm called Cree. that the subcultural said that as well.
 He said, my name is Cree. That's not what he just said. Jafa Cree.
 Like, shut up. Listen, attention here. I thought I picked something up. Yeah.
 
 [10:56] I kind of did. It's a word, but he gets he gets wrapped around Kowalski's, you know, vertebrae and going through the thing. Everything was great.
 Even even Sam and Kowalski in an elevator.
 Brent, that's two series. I got to do that in. Yeah, pretty cool.
 That was fine. Then we get to the surgery and what they literally show us in the surgery is Dr.
 Dude, cutting the golden half and slipping out half of it.
 And that half was like massive, but he's like, okay, mission accomplished.
 I'm like, you cut it in half. And then, oh my gosh, how shocking he wakes up.
 And after an extreme surgery, he gets up, chokes out. tilk takes out a number of military personnel.
 Like this isn't really, really, no one's going to stop him.
 You even said it during the reaction. He jumps in. He's like, everybody get out.
 And they're like, okay, I guess we'll just get out. Cause a guy in a hospital gown yelled at us.
 Right.
 
 [11:58] Really? You're going to make it all the way it took the it took the gate technician guy like the little kind of wimpy, you know, dude to get his wrist broken because he was the only one willing to try to stop it. I'm telling you that that guy right there. You will eventually learn his name. I'm going to let you learn it in real time. That that guy, he's like the Miles O'Brien of the like, he's the most important man on the show. Is that right? OK, he's he's just everything everything revolves around him. Right now he's gay guy. He's gay technician guy. He's the GTG as it were. So, um, so yeah. So, and then, and then he dies, you know, tilk brutal.
 
 [12:38] Brutal takes him out and then a little piece falls out and I'm just like, Oh, that's exactly what they showed us. You said that. And I was like, and we picked it up. I've I've hear like in all capitals, I'm like, isn't that exactly what we saw happen? Like, why is anybody surprised? Wow. So, so how much medical malpractice did that doctor do by leaving half of the gold in his head? Right. I mean, the only thing he could have done worse was, Oh, sorry.
 I left a sponge in my scalp. Wow. But I, I do. Um, one thing that I really appreciated was again, I got this serious so far. I mean, we're three episodes, two episodes in, it does a really good job of like question answer around the world building just giving us enough so far. So I made a note and it was if the ghoul take over Kowalski, how does Tilk not get taken over? Like, is that what being prepped as a Jaffa is, is making it so you hold it and it doesn't take you over.
 
 [13:40] Ask that question one more time, because I think I can answer it.
 So, and I'll give you the second way I wrote it. First, if the ghouls are taking, like, the dude's taking over Kowalski, doesn't have control over it. Yeah.
 How is it that Tilk isn't getting taken over?
 
 [13:56] So, the way I read, or just let me, that's how I rephrase it, because I might answer.
 I said, is it a question of in the belly versus in the head?
 Like, is it almost that simple? Well, it's a question of what they're doing.
 Because when when they actually go into the head into the brain, the gold is melding with the host.
 When the the gold is is incubating effectively in the Jaffa that gold is not doing anything with the Jaffa.
 He's just hanging out there.
 Yeah, like he's just basically in a chamber a womb something waiting to go do something else.
 So, okay, that's two very different things that they're doing.
 Okay, that makes sense. There is no communication between Gould and Jaffa.
 
 [14:45] They're just happen to be in the same space. Yeah, like they don't, they don't, they, you know, one doesn't know what the other is thinking.
 You're not, you know, impressing it with your thoughts, you know, it just for whatever reason, the gold can like open up their shirt and like call the thing forth and it comes out and then he's like, I'm going to go back in like that's about the only like control I guess that they kind of have over each other it's almost like a muscle contraction even like it's not it might even be that like it might be the Jaffa's like muscles contracting pushing them out versus like sucking them back in those are some wicked strong Kegel muscles man for real for real good look at this but, so I think it answers my question but the other question I had was like are do they have to have a host? Can they survive outside of a host? It sounds like they do need to have one.
 The Gould? The Gould.
 
 [15:35] Yes, they can survive outside of a host, but keep in mind, they're just a snake at that point and they don't have thumbs.
 Oh, yeah, yeah. No better than monkeys, really, at that point.
 But yeah, no, it was, it was a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. The ending, the ending really, uh, all that Kowalski stuff, man, that did it, it went from interesting and kind of cool to just like, Oh God, it's literal sci-fi of the week. Kind of a, I was, I was pretty disappointed in the ending.
 So let me, let me just say this, cause I haven't said this yet. I, this is.
 
 [16:06] Before we went on Mike, I was like, I don't want to say this or I want to save it. Here's where I'm going to say what I was going to say earlier.
 When you and I first started doing Babylon 5, we said to each other, hey, we're 90 sci-fi guys.
 We know how the early seasons of sci-fi go and we know that they can be kind of rough Babylon 5.
 I honestly Babylon 5 had one of the better first seasons that I've ever seen.
 I think by the time we're through all 22 episodes, you're going to look back at Stargate's first season and be like, it's actually a relatively strong season.
 Although there are definitely some hard episodes and this one is, is a there, there, I will, I will, we'll see where it winds up in the ranking.
 Yeah. We'll just say, we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that here, here shortly, but that makes sense.
 Cause even, I mean, not to make this about Babylon five, but just so we can do it, yes.
 Had some rough episodes too, but we agreed at the end, it was one of the stronger nineties first seasons there were. So it's expected, you know, and there's a, there's a lot of episodes.
 Uh, this one had a really good, a really good, I'd say.
 Two thirds, three quarters was really, really good in this one. Yeah. But you know.
 
 [17:18] That's what I think of this. Just kind of my, let me, let me ask you this. Can I ask a question?
 Are you surprised that on episode two Kowalski died? No, not really. Okay. I think, and I think part of that is because this is 97, right? So this isn't the early, this is an early 90s sci-fi and we're starting to get a little bit gritty. And, and I think they wanted to show really early on on that the Gould are for real threat. And the only way to do that, like I said it during the reaction, they're going out of their way to give us tiny little emotional connections to him. So when he dies, we feel it. Yeah. Fair enough. I think I'm personally always surprised that they kill Kowalski so fast because he's a care. He's a character from the film. He's a carryover. He's, he's a big, he's a big part. Like he's the commander of SG two, which this is SG one, not SG two. That's okay. But like you would expect him to be a guy who's around for a while, you know, and no, they actually killed him.
 But I like what you just said, because it really, from the outset shows just how deadly the gould are messing with them. Even an infant gold.
 
 [18:23] Yeah. I think, you know, it's an interesting time in television, the late nineties into the early two thousands, um, you know, when people talk about things like Star Trek enterprise or Battlestar Galactica that came out in the early 2000s, how 9-11 really changed the kind of TV where we were watching.
 But we were ramping up, you know, in television to become a little more grittier overall.
 And I think a real consistent mechanism that they used for that was the violent death of somebody on the show.
 Maybe not necessarily a main cast member, but somebody, you know, that you connected with.
 Uh, not shocking, a little disappointing, especially like, can it makes sense?
 I didn't know he was in the movie, but like when he and, uh, for ready, uh, showed up in, in, in the last episode.
 I can definitely understand how that Freddy was probably in the movie.
 Yeah, both of them are. Yeah, yeah. Played by different actors.
 They were recast for the show. But yeah, yeah.
 
 [19:21] So yeah, that's it for my first watch. Did you catch any of those good sci-fi message?
 Oh boy, I did because I went into this kind of going. Yeah, maybe not.
 Look, okay one. There is the the line that Jack had is that it's kind of a human thing.
 We tend to be afraid of things that we don't know like, holy cow hit you between the eyes.
 They didn't really elaborate on it a whole lot. They didn't go super far into it because there was actually so much more.
 So much. This is actually, this is one of those, those things, Jeff, I got to be honest.
 This is not my favorite episode of the show.
 I tend to skip this one when I do rewatches, unless I'm doing, uh, unless I forget to hit skip.
 You know, I was like, I might look at, uh, um, After watching this episode through this lens for the first time, my opinion of this episode is skyrocketed.
 Yeah, it has really skyrocketed. Here's the thing.
 It is really interesting to me that both Teal and Kowalski have a Gould in them.
 One of them, one of the two Goulds was actually malevolent. One of the two Goulds was actively killing people, actively hurting people was a true threat.
 Yet for that one, Kowalski's, they did everything they could to honor and respect and maintain his humanity.
 
 [20:43] But for Teal, whose goal, gold had not taken over, everyone had not actually been a threat, is contained because I think we just decided that he's cagling that thing and not letting him out. Right?
 Um, gold kegels. Exactly. He is untrusted.
 He is a prisoner. They want to interrogate him. And let's face it, Kennedy was going to dissect yoke 100%.
 He was going to go full Talia winters on, on him. Like he was going to do to her what Bester did to talk, right?
 Yes. He, he absolutely was going to dissect him.
 
 [21:17] He wasn't even a human to them because he was an alien. He was a Jeff.
 He's not even human. He had no humanity. He has no rights. He has nothing that we have to respect at all.
 Jack even called that out. He's walking in when he's meeting Kennedy and Hammond's there and he's like, you know what I did, I went and told TILC that we respect a person's rights here in this country. I.
 
 [21:37] Was like, oh shoot, you know, and I'm reminded immediately of Star Trek. I'm reminded of Captain Kirk on the bridge in, I want to say it was Corbin might maneuver.
 When the other ship had broken down, little young, um, uh, Clint Howard. Yeah. Clint Howard, uh, his ship broke down and, and Kirk turns around and goes, it's time to see if our high sounding morals actually mean anything. You know what I mean? He's like, we respect a person that we believe in people's rights here, at least in America. And I would say for those who are listening around the world, most of the people who listen to the show are in a country where respecting someone's rights are at least a value that we state.
 Do we really do it though when the chips are down?
 And here's what we learned, Jeff.
 As much as they tried to deny Tilkes humanity because he's a Jaffa, we also learned that Jaffa are in fact humans, they are humans and they completely miss the victimhood of not only Tilke, but Jaffa everywhere, that they are as much victims as much as Kowalski is a victim to the Gould, but they won't give that respect to Tilke.
 
 [22:47] They're going to give it all over to Kowalski. I think even when you compare, uh, the three, look at the three main people, Jack, the way he treats till you pointed it out, talked about it so eloquently, Jack stayed static. He, he treated tilt the same at the beginning as he did at the end. Good Kennedy stayed static. He treated tilt at the beginning, the same way he treated them at the end. What I loved was Hammond. Look at how our Hammond started the episode treating Tilk more on Kennedy's side and he went through the journey to come over to Jack's side. I love that we got that, but I will tell you what I, what I also loved in the middle of this, and I never thought about this before back when I was doing beam me up a Star Trek podcast, when we got to Star Trek enterprise, I realized something. The message of Star Trek Enterprise is that humanity, humans, What we have to offer as humans is the hope of the universe.
 Because in the Star Trek world, you had the Vulcans, and they were fighting with these people, and these people were fighting with these people.
 It wasn't until humans came on the scene, albeit early, until they came on the scene, when they were able to be able to talk to everybody and bring people together into a united federation of plants.
 It wasn't until humanity came on the scene that we could do that.
 It wasn't the Vulcans who did that.
 It wasn't the other people who did that.
 
 [24:09] It was the humans. Think about Babylon five, right? You had, you have, uh, you, you have the, the, the shadows and now what we know are, are the Vorlons and they're just engaging in these wars and they, they fought the Minbari, they fought the Narn.
 Well, you know, what's different about wherever they are right now.
 You know, what's pro I'm guessing, I don't know yet, but I'm guessing we're going to see the end of the ultimate end of the shadow of Orlan war by like the end of season five or something.
 You know what's different this time? Humans are here.
 Right? They said this. So the humans are the Tau'ri. We seeded everybody.
 Because we rebelled, we are in the best position to go rescue all, to go rescue all those people out there. And guess what?
 All those folks out there, they're our own. They are our own.
 We are the greatest hope of the universe.
 
 [24:59] All of this comes back to that same idea of, are we going to treat them, whether they're from this planet or not?
 They are our descendants. Are we going to give them respect?
 Are we gonna give them their humanity? Okay, let's put that to right now.
 Whether they're from this country or from another country, are you gonna give them respect because they're still humans? Are you gonna treat them with their humanity?
 Or are you just gonna see them as an illegal invader and try to bust them out?
 Oh, they came here and then had kids just so they could claim citizenship.
 Who freaking cares? That is a person, you know?
 Now we've got to deal with some stuff, but it's Jeff. I just, I, this episode is chock full.
 If you just sit back and look at it, man.
 
 [25:44] And I can't even say that it was intended, but my gosh, is it there?
 Before we went on, Mike, we were kind of talking this through.
 You're like, yeah, I don't know what's going to be, but I really don't think there's going to be a lot of a lot of a message in this one.
 So it should be pretty quick.
 But but here we are at the point, Brent, where we're going to do the for the first time thing. And I am I am I'm almost more excited about this next part than I am in retrospect for having watched the episode.
 But you have the responsibility right now of taking that message you just gave us. So, so well spoken. Now you have to boil that down into a rating. You're going to rate this on a scale of zero to five chevrons as to how strong the message was. Please, Brent, I am dying to know what your rating is.
 There's everything in me wants to go with a five Chevron. This is not five Chevron's, because I think a big piece of that, and we've often talked about is the intentionality of the writers to say, this is the message I'm trying to get out.
 And I don't know that the writer was really fully going that route with it.
 
 [26:45] Although really, although, although we had this great line, we are often afraid of those things that we don't know. And we had these great things.
 So I definitely think that there was some intentionality. I don't think he was going with humanity is the hope of the universe.
 Type thing as much as just, Hey, we are the ones who are in best position to go get our guys and here's a little bit of the history of what happened.
 Um, so I'm going to give, I'm going to give the writer like half credit on intentionality, but the messages, if you really look at them are fairly replete.
 I'm going, Oh, Jeff, I think I'm one four and a half.
 Oh, wow. I'm going to go four and a half Chevron's on this one.
 Cause this, I told you my, my respect for this episode skyrocketed.
 Now I've not had time to think this through and mull it over, but where I am right now, my respect for the show is absolutely skyrocketed. There's so much in the show that is right there.
 The only thing I think that knocks it down is I'm just giving him half credit for intentionality.
 Other than that, it's a great episode. Great message episode.
 This could fit in Star Trek. Super easy.
 Yeah. It's that it's sci-fi message, right? Like all the way through.
 
 [27:53] A hundred percent. Yeah. Very. It's a little more generous than I would have been with it.
 About point five more generous.
 I was I was going to say three and a half, but I was like, no, it's four.
 Actually, you know, it's powerful.
 I mean, even like, if you go back and you watch in the reaction, like Brent's, even just like, Oh, writing this one down, Oh my God. Hey, it's amazing.
 When you actually start looking for those, you know, uh, cause my, I did, I kind of, I know these episodes really well.
 In my head, I was going, oh, this is an episode about addiction and how you treat somebody who's in the throes of addiction. That was where my my pre watching the episode was kind of thinking it was going to go. Yeah, not at all. Not at all. All right, Jeff. So I rated this on Chevron's.
 I'm saying four and a half Chevron's, man. I'm going to leave it there. You, however, get to rank the episode. And listen, it's only got one it's got to contend with right now.
 Now last week was Children of the Gods.
 This week is enemy within Jeff.
 Where are you placing today's episode?
 Enemy within? Yeah, I'm gonna get right to it. There's no real talk through.
 I think I've already shared my thoughts. This is number two at this point.
 And I mean, really, comparatively speaking, it is number two.
 Oh, just a little bit. Oh, yeah.
 Ouch. That is that is oh, that is awful.
 
 [29:17] Yeah. Yeah, all right, Jeff, well, and that's going to be it, man.
 That's the show that's going to do it for the enemy within next week.
 When we come back, Jeff, we are watching an episode called emancipation.
 I promise you, you've seen this episode before. Really?
 That's the only hint I'm going to give you. You have seen this episode almost exactly before Jeff, do you care to venture a guess whatsoever as to what this episode could be about?
 This is going to be that one episode. That's in a number of different series, probably where they come to a planet.
 There's some oppressive thing going on.
 They side with the, uh, the, the, the, you know, poor little plebeian people and bring them to bring them to freedom. This is going to be one of their first planets.
 We're going to, this is their away mission. We're going to see him on another planet and they're going to go free, uh, some enslaved, enslaved people.
 You're a good guesser. And that's all I'll say.
 I'm not, I'm not commenting one way or the other. I just look.
 
 [30:12] Well, we'll see next week. Well, actually, oh, let me do this.
 I'm going to make a big mistake that I made.
 I've made in some of our other things. I'm going to get more specific.
 Oh, these slaves are not only just slaves, but they're actually like, put into like, they play games with them and like, gladiator games, and it's very violent, and it's very bad.
 And there's these overlords that are probably gold. I don't know, but like, the bet on it, and it's a thing that they do, and they're going to have to break that whole thing, up. I'm thinking along the lines of Gamesters of Triskelion right now, but I probably just got way too specific.
 Like I said, you're a good guesser and that's all I'm going to say. We will see right here next week on Stargate SG-1 for the first time. Hey folks out there. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Don't forget you can subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to leave us a rating and review and please share this podcast with somebody that loves Stargate SG one and either they love it already or they're going to love it because they're going to join us on this journey. They're going to join Jeff on the journey for the first time and maybe you're rediscovering some new things about the show along with me. So with that until next time, folks, we appreciate everything that you guys are doing and Hey Brent. Yes, Jeff. I'm going to go try a Stargate swirly.
 I'm crying out loud.
 
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